2015 Ford F-150 to Drop Fully Boxed Frame

2015 Ford F-150 to Drop Fully Boxed Frame

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If you’ve ever watched a commercial for a Ford F-150, you’ve probably heard someone, be it Dennis Leary or Mike Rowe, mention its fully boxed frame. That marketing line will die with the next-generation of America’s best selling vehicle.

A frame design that’s touted to be more robust than other options, enabling the F-150 to tow up to 11,300 lbs., Ford will instead opt for a C-shaped frame structure AutoGuide has learned from a source familiar with the new truck’s development. Major sections will remain fully-boxed, though the C-shape design will be used for portions, similar to what its rivals do.

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Weight savings. Whoring out to the EPA to meet gas mileage requirements.

Weight savings yes.
Is it an issue, no.
We don't need 1/2 ton trucks that can tow 5 tons+.

not sure on the weight savings.

The tundra has a c-channel and it weighs more than the others I think.

but I agree on the 1/2 tons towing 10K+, really no need

I am sure our resident frame guru Mr. V-max will be along soon, LOL...

I do know that Ram dropped a bunch of weight on the 2013 Frame and made it stronger at the same time, it also remains fully boxed.

The public fearful response that I'm reading elseware seems similar to the uninformed perceptions set by the public on the Duramax with the 2001 model launched with aluminium heads. We were all told this would be a failure of magnificent proportions, stupid GM/Isuzu. Innovation of technology, advanced materials, and construction done right can change the standard.

Same was said many moons ago about making engine blocks from beer cans. Aluminium, can't be done, disaster looming failure!

Aluminum frames, control arms, the list continues.

ya, there really isn't too many crappy rigs out there anymore.

go get in any top trim level from any of them and they are all really damn nice...

Fully boxed hydroformed frames are lighter than equivalent C-channel frames...and more torsionally rigid.

I wonder if Ford will also use rivets to hold it together. lol

kinda funny after all the BS ford was putting out regarding this in the past.

I posted something in the tug or war section about it.

word is, they are going to a triple tech style, LOL.

Well, hopefully they do it better than Toyota did with their Triple-Flex Gumby frame.  

ya, I guess well see what they come up with and their explanation

I'm not too interested in the current f-150 anyway, just don't like the way it looks, especially the grill up onto the hood, we'll see what the new one looks like.

I don't like the engine options right now either. no thanks on the ecobust, the 5.0 isn't enough and the 6.2 needs premium and gets 13 combined..

I like toyota and ram with high powered 350s.

or GM with a 6.2 that get good mileage.

I got what I wanted for now.

The 6.2L Ford is 12/16 to the Tundra's 13/17, but only on 4wd. The Ford has more power and doesn't require premium, but then the GM never did either. The Ram is better with less power but recommends mid grade. Not sure why you don't like the EcoBoost, but I'm sure it's a rational reason. A lot of the Ford grilles do have too much chrome.

The new 6.2L GM does seem like the best choice for people looking for big power and still have good mileage.

I do not care for Ford's engine choices either. Nothing against the EB, I just prefer V8's. I do not like the 5.0 and the 6.2 is being discontinued.

I also do not like GM's new engines either...because they still have that stupid AFM and are STILL having issues with it.

I'd buy a new 5.7L Ram if I were buying today.

What issues is GM having with the GenV AFM?

"2015 Ford F-150 to Drop Fully Boxed Frame"

Count me as a skeptic ... I'll believe it when I see it.

joemac wrote:

What issues is GM having with the GenV AFM?

There is already a recall/TSB for it. Apparently it's just a software update to change how/when it activates as it was activating some lifters while under pressure..which can be a very bad thing.

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/topic/154535-afm-recall/

toyboxrv wrote:

The 6.2L Ford is 12/16 to the Tundra's 13/17, but only on 4wd. The Ford has more power and doesn't require premium, but then the GM never did either. The Ram is better with less power but recommends mid grade. Not sure why you don't like the EcoBoost, but I'm sure it's a rational reason. A lot of the Ford grilles do have too much chrome.

The new 6.2L GM does seem like the best choice for people looking for big power and still have good mileage.

You are correct with the Ford 6.2 vs tundra 5.7 MPG, but the combined is still only 13 for the ford where the tundra is 15, so there is a difference.  Nobody ever includes it in any of the tests so it's hard to know how it stacks up against the others in the real world.

I thought I read that the Ford needed premium to get the max power, I guess I was mistaken on that one.

I just like V8s in truck engines, I like they way they perform and especially sound.  So the ecoboost just inst for me.  I have also been reading about a lot of problems with humidity in the turbos etc.  

Some retard in one was trying to race me (I don't race) and he got next to me and slightly ahead (I was driving normally) and he punched it.  

I almost died laughing at the way it sounded, I don't care how fast it is.

too each his own though, I love the sound of the Hemi

another thing, I don't particularly care for the MDS on my truck but you can easily turn it off so I just do that.

I will say that this Hemi 8-speed, 3.92 rear truck really moves...sounds really nice. I am thinking about swapping out the muffler for a borla though, LOL. I was done with that for a while but this truck has kinda got me again.

The issue seems to be software from what I'm reading.  GM has released an PCM update to address. Big event, catastrophic? Outstripping the capacity of the tow truck industry to haul these blown up trucks back to the dealer?

There are those that don't like the AFM.  I enjoyed it, was great on the G8 GT I owned.  

Ford recalled the PCM software on my truck, just after taking delivery.  Something about an electronic start-up process on a component not completing and causing high fuel consumption.  Took it in, they updated it in the service drive was there 15 minutes at the max.

I can't imagine Ford will back track on the frame, make the next gen truck less capable or have to eat crow with all the frame marketing they did on their last generation truck.  They know the baseline.  Its reasonable to assume they know something about the truck market expectations and where they should be in 2015 on the next generation truck.  Then again maybe they'll throw in the towel and put an recycled Budweiser can under there, have the capability to haul a bicycle and sell two trucks all year.

Breathing Borla wrote:

toyboxrv wrote:

The 6.2L Ford is 12/16 to the Tundra's 13/17, but only on 4wd. The Ford has more power and doesn't require premium, but then the GM never did either. The Ram is better with less power but recommends mid grade. Not sure why you don't like the EcoBoost, but I'm sure it's a rational reason. A lot of the Ford grilles do have too much chrome.

The new 6.2L GM does seem like the best choice for people looking for big power and still have good mileage.

You are correct with the Ford 6.2 vs tundra 5.7 MPG, but the combined is still only 13 for the ford where the tundra is 15, so there is a difference.  Nobody ever includes it in any of the tests so it's hard to know how it stacks up against the others in the real world.

I thought I read that the Ford needed premium to get the max power, I guess I was mistaken on that one.

I just like V8s in truck engines, I like they way they perform and especially sound.  So the ecoboost just inst for me.  I have also been reading about a lot of problems with humidity in the turbos etc.  

Some retard in one was trying to race me (I don't race) and he got next to me and slightly ahead (I was driving normally) and he punched it.  

I almost died laughing at the way it sounded, I don't care how fast it is.

too each his own though, I love the sound of the Hemi

To me it would depend on the extra towing power being worth the loss in mileage. The new GM 6.2L seems to have that covered, while the Ford 6.2L costs more for what it may gain. The Ecoboost is a good balance of towing capabilities and mileage. In my case it would get down to which truck I like better for occasional towing and more commuting. The Ram Crew looks good, but doesn't have a 6.5' bed or at least that's what I saw before.

I have a 1.6L Fusion and have been real happy with it. Commuting 90% highway it can get 35 - 36 mpg and it has more mid range torque than any other 4 cyl mid size. Lift the hood and it sounds more like a 4 cyl than even my motorcycle, but inside it can't be heard.

Hope you didn't get affected by the tornadoes this weekend. Looks like it could've been really bad in your area.

The Ram 1500 Crew Cab is available with a 5'7" or 6'4" bed.

ya, that damn tornado came within a few miles. a town or two over. Got lucky, this time.

others were not so lucky, my thoughts go out to them.

weather was really violent for this time of the year. I thought my house was going to come down and it was hailing.

thanks for the thought