Apple - FBI

The message that originally was pushed was that Apple was simply uncooperative about getting the FBI into the terrorist's iPhone. Seems there's a little more to the rest and how the FBI wants to gain access.

IT's been stated that Apple has assisted the FBI on cases previous providing access and data on iPhones. This is true, previous to IOS 8 that didn't have encryption. Or by means of the iCloud. The FBI in this case had the iCloud account on the phone reset, and which now prevents the iPhone in question from using the established Apple ID credentials access to the cloud. Apple as also provided the FBI a copy of the iPhone. The copy happens to be encrypted. Just like the iPhone.

Apple lawyers will be in court on Friday to present the court the details on the FBI request and the court order.

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/answers/

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/02/23/judge-napolitano-battle-between-apple-and-fbi-will-go-all-way-supreme-court

They could always ask the NSA for their copy.

In the end, this is just another example of using the evil shadow of "TERRORISM" against us to surrender more rights.

And the "people" have fallen for it since a majority support the FBI. Im no Apple fan as far as products but I'm very happy they are fighting this. Once you open this box you wont be able to close it.

The "I need the key to your private encryption to save you" argument rings hollow.

Pretty soon, these same people will be demanding we all get chipped and registered so everything we ever think of doing is tracked and approved by Big Brother.

It's a messy situation but I can't help but feel that apple was playing it for all it's worth. They want sales abroad and cooperating with the FBI won't help matters. There was room for a compromise in this case but it won't happen when the media is involved and Cook is working that like a street hooker. We'll see how fast apple responds when china asks for special access.

If the FBI made the request to the NSA, government would be admitting and confirming the American people all the spying they're are carrying out.    They would no longer be able to hide behind the carefully worded bull crap they tell us that their not collecting our emails, our texts, our phone conversations our business records, GPS locations, etc.

Showcases the dichotomy, carefully selected words and phrases of which convolute the message.  Answering the question the way government wants to answer it without lying, but not telling the truth.  Basically a pass.

Watched a really good debate session last night that directly compares the differing messages.  Bart Gellman who was one of the reporters enlisted with the documentation Edward Snowden, and then NSA director General Hayden.  Hayden always broad brushes the answers with grand analagies, and illusive language.  Gellmen appears highly researched and validated, and exact in the answers.  Stark differences.  



So yes absolutely they FBI could obtain from the NSA all the phone calls meta, likely all the content.  All the emails, all texts, they have these already from the carrier(s).  Only thing they might not have is app data.  The FBI and city of SB screwed that over by resetting the AppleID password.  Some speculate this was done knowing they would try to force Apple's hand for the entire unencrypted phone.

How short people's memories are, from December 2013. NSA DROPOUTJEEP was disclosed to the American public

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/the-nsa-reportedly-has-total-access-to-your-iphone/#659aefb81604

The disclosure of NSA's DROPOUTJEEP owns the iPhone.  100% install success rate.  This functionality includes the ability to remotely push/pull files from the device. SMS retrieval, contact list retrieval, voicemail, geolocation, hot mic, camera capture, cell tower location, etc. Command, control and data exfiltration can occur over SMS messaging or a GPRS data connection. All communications with the implant will be covert and encrypted.

Look there the NSA is encrypting the info they're exfiltrating from iPhone.  Wonder if they'll let us have a view into their encryption data?  Not likely.

The American people are slow learners. Well that line of thinking would indicate they can learn. So scratch that entirely.

Tell the FBI to pound sand.  And to quit getting distracted.  HRC needs to be indited yesterday.

Diseasel wrote:

It's a messy situation but I can't help but feel that apple was playing it for all it's worth. They want sales abroad and cooperating with the FBI won't help matters. There was room for a compromise in this case but it won't happen when the media is involved and Cook is working that like a street hooker. We'll see how fast apple responds when china asks for special access.

There is no compromise for breaking the law.  A person can feel however they want.  Whether the activity is legal, is clearly definable.  It either is or it isn't.

The situation would be no different than if the government sought to use the All Writs Act to force a safe manufacturer to travel around the country unlocking safes that the government wants to access, or to make a lock manufacturer employees pick locks for the government.  

That's conscription, and that is unlawful. Conscription in the US was last widely used to draft men into the military.

If there's no limit to what the government can demand from the people, that's communism.  Where the people work for the state.

If the government wants the information on the phone, it has all the tools and capability anyone could ever wish for.  The government isn't being honest in it's request.  It really wants a way into everyone's phone, across the globe.

Yet another bench method to access the phone if the FBI desired.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/one-fbis-major-claims-iphone-case-fraudulent

Plan B

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3043502/apple-ios/government-hints-it-may-demand-ios-source-code-signing-key.html

Yet showcasing yet again how the government isn't being honest with the request. If Apple gives up the source code, our journey to outright fascism is complete. Watch what happens to Apples business afterward in the fall out if they submit. Mind you this is based on a hunch or a guess their might be something on the phone. The FBI admitted it already has the phone call records, text records. Their guess is that there may be an app, that may have data. That's a reach. Still waiting for someone of political prominence to mention or suggest they use DROPOUTJEEP.

joemac wrote:

Watch what happens to Apples business afterward in the fall out if they submit.  

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Look at what people freely give up every day, I dont think their business would suffer that much.

Unfortunately the American attention span is too short to make a difference.

Apple's stance makes little sense as they already gave in to Chinese government demands for access to users of Chinese cellphones. The genie is out of the bottle.

The difference is; different country, different laws.

The common iPhone user can't find Washington DC with it anyway...as long as they can line up like sheep every 16 months, they aren't worried.

I still speak to people who have had multiple iPhones over many many years and still do not know where the Home button is. I'm dead serious! We end up having to send them to the store because they become so frustrated over OUR lack of knowledge and ability to help them. Its a sad state of affairs.

If the phone stops doing what they want it to do fewer and fewer people have any basic troubleshooting abilities. They call into us and we have to remote into their phone and turn the data toggle back on. Then they have the nerve to ask for credit because their data didn't work for a week.

They think turning the phone off is clicking the power/sleep button on their phone. When I explain the difference and ask that they turn the phone off they ask; "Completely off?".... NO, just half way then power it back up.... ...WTF is wrong with these people?

Many people are dumb across the board but the lack of knowledge of how much these devices actually cost and the sheer sense of entitlement is far more present in iPhone users.

Diseasel wrote:

Unfortunately the American attention span is too short to make a difference.

Apple's stance makes little sense as they already gave in to Chinese government demands for access to users of Chinese cellphones. The genie is out of the bottle.

Apple produced software for China software or provided the master encryption key that is able to subvert the passcode or the current 9.X IOS encryption?

http://truthinmedia.com/bipartisan-senators-forcing-companies-override-encryption/

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“I think this world is really changing in terms of people wanting the protection and wanting law enforcement, if there is conspiracy going on over the Internet, that that encryption ought to be able to be pierced,” Feinstein said.

FBI in court....never mind..we have another way to break in....

Like we didn't know that all this time already

Hopefully this will give tech companies a wake-up call to start creating and deploying true encryption.

joemac wrote:

Diseasel wrote:

Unfortunately the American attention span is too short to make a difference.

Apple's stance makes little sense as they already gave in to Chinese government demands for access to users of Chinese cellphones. The genie is out of the bottle.

Apple produced software for China software or provided the master encryption key that is able to subvert the passcode or the current 9.X IOS encryption?

I'm not sure about that but for sure Apple would have trouble saying no if it did arise. What I was referring to was Apple making changes for the Chinese government like moving local user info onto state owned cloud servers, allowing security checks, and some say even providing the OS for government review. Given China's history, the latter seems unlikely for now - eventually comes when Apple becomes desperate for increased Chinese sales opportunities like all other once successful manufacturers. Apple has refused to say what "security checks" means so that's a bit suspicious.

We'll see how high Cook jumps or how fast he changes his tune when China says no to full encryption. I'd be very surprised if that wasn't already in the works. Apple can decide if they value profits more than principle. I suspect Apple's principle is a disguised marketing ploy to undercut Google/Android sales.

The FBI was able to get into the phone with the help of a third party company. Gee wasn't that hard after all. A small victory for the people of the country.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2016/03/28/fbi-breaks-into-san-bernardino-gunmans-iphone-without-apples-help-ending-court-case.html?intcmp=hpbt3

Interesting to see what they find or more interesting to find out what they do not find.

It might be a bit of a fail for Apple's marketing of their iphone security too. Gotta wonder how they were able to crack it. Maybe via a developer kit interface?

This entire court case was a charade to intimidate Apple and the others. They had a way to break into it the entire time. They wanted to set precedent for the future, pure, plain and simple.

Diseasel wrote:

It might be a bit of a fail for Apple's marketing of their iphone security too. Gotta wonder how they were able to crack it. Maybe via a developer kit interface?

If there's a desire big enough there's a way.  The NSA disclosures indicate that in spades. NSA is able to use vulnerabilities and exploits to infiltrate just about any device, including Apple and Android, All Windows version, Dell PowerEdge servers, Cisco and Huawei routers, various terrestrial RF transmitters and receivers, various WAPs running 802.1a/b/g/n, various enterprise and home bios, Juniper/Netscreen firewalls, cell phone tower assimilation/audio/GPS, various Linux kernels, various hard drive MBR's, phone SIM cards, home routers, Cisco Pix and ASA firewalls, on and on....

Nothing is impenetrable. Anything with memory and access or bus to a network stack, it's game on. Here's their own short list. https://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/12/30/nsas-ant-division-catalog-of-exploits-for-nearly-every-major-software-hardware-firmware/

Here's one way....  https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/one-fbis-major-claims-iphone-case-fraudulent

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Why the FBI can easily work around “auto-erase”

So the file system key (which the FBI claims it is scared will be destroyed by the phone’s auto-erase security protection) is stored in the Effaceable Storage on the iPhone in the “NAND” flash memory. All the FBI needs to do to avoid any irreversible auto erase is simple to copy that flash memory (which includes the Effaceable Storage) before it tries 10 passcode attempts. It can then re-try indefinitely, because it can restore the NAND flash memory from its backup copy.

Here's a picture of the front and back of main circuit board inside the iPhone 5c:

Yep. Apple tried to pretend they needed to reinvent the OS (ie govOS) to access the encrypted iphone. Cook was talking out his hind end like a slimy, double talking politician. Hopefully the IRS pays him a visit the next couple of years.

Maybe there's confusion, Apple's in the business of securing the devices they sell and market.  Not exploiting or circumventing their own intellectual property by force of the US government.  

Cook even stated it could be done.  The issue was the legality of what the government was conscripting a private company to do on the governments behalf.

To be crystal clear, the government was asking for a rewrite of the current 9.X encryption featured IOS, new code to be produced, so the government at will could access any Apple phone they desired.  It never was about one terrorists phone.  That is absolutely clear.

The government already possessed the capability to own the entire phone.  NSA's DROPOUTJEEP exploit documentation clearly documents this.  However the FBI was not publicly going to acknowledge or go this route, because of two things.  One, it would validate again the NSA can own any access and any data on the iPhone.  Two, this wasn't the intent of the FBI's motive go get access to one phone.  All of the corroborating information surrounding the method of which the FBI demanded access confirms this.

Another scenario, Cook was all bluster and wind for the public as he was on his knees sucking FBI pecker and giving them the keys to the backdoor in private.

No, initially the FBI asked for a back door but then clearly only asked for assistance opening the terrorist's phone. That was stated over and over. Likewise, the court case was only related to accessing the terrorist's phone.

All in all, it resulted in bad press for both Apple and Cook. The world now knows phone encryption is just a deterrent, or an inconvenience that discourages the less motivated. This time emperor Cook was wearing no clothes.

I'm not sure it's good practice for these companies to take political stances that slice and dice their potential customer base but they seem to be doing it more and more and all the while becoming more socialistic. Maybe it's an effort to align with China.

Today's best kept secret is that there are no more secrets.

ALL of this is for our consumption only. Including this charade.

Apple gets to save face in front of its loyal sheep, the FBI always had what they wanted and got to pretend that they didn't, and before all of that came out in open court, the magic monkey crapped out the great and terrible iPhone hack.

And the charade marches onward.....this was all a ploy to get regular citizens enraged and DEMAND our government strip away more rights.....when they already have.

NO MORE SECRETS. That's the only secret that's left.