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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 30th 2016, 10:05 pm

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No, initially the FBI asked for a back door but then clearly only asked for assistance opening the terrorist's phone. That was stated over and over. Likewise, the court case was only related to accessing the terrorist's phone.

Honestly, the initial ask was contrived from the beginning. It's called precedent. Once the software to access the phone was created, it would have been open season, and a serious security vulnerability that would surely not only be exploited by our own government, but malicious actors, state sponsored, political activists, and others.

One single phone, then never again right? Even a prosecutor in NY stated he had nearly 150 phones ready to cracked. As has been showcased from many people across the tech industry, the ability to crack the phone already existed through many methods. The government was simply looking for a method via software to crack the phone, and after that any one with consistent ease with code supported from the manufacturer. Then again government already possesses one through the NSA's DROPOUTJEEP. They conveniently left that capability out of the equation.

Honestly do you think Apple after creating the software to access the phone would have been able to conceal the phone accessing software once that product was created and keep it from the government? No. Once the circumventing product existed Apple could then be forced to turn it over or use it. That was a major part of the issue, the software didn't exist. Apple would have to engineer it. Government forcing conscription of a private entity to work on the states behalf (communism). Is this China or the USA we live in?

The government wasn't honest with the intent. Never was, even from the beginning.

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All in all, it resulted in bad press for both Apple and Cook. The world now knows phone encryption is just a deterrent, or an inconvenience that discourages the less motivated.

This is untrue. What is being circumvented here is not the actual encryption. It's the destructive process that after 10 failed access attempts destroys the phone data. The FBI already had a the physical phone in their possession (encryption active), Apple aided the FBI and provided them a virtual copy (encrypted) of the phone as well. If the FBI could crack the actual encryption, they would have done so. There's ability today that provides the right level of encryption to address possible threats or the risk to exposure of the data.

The NSA just this year adopted a set of guidelines from NIST's to protect against quantum computing attempts to crack lower key strength encryption algorithms. Thus more key strength, larger key, the greater strength makes encryption a viable security mechanism for the NSA's top secret data. Encryption works in the private sector too. The entire issue indicates encryption does work. Else the FBI would have simply cracked the encryption key, and had clear access to the data.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 30th 2016, 10:16 pm

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/30/the-machine-that-may-have-cracked-the-iphone.html

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The Israeli company that may have cracked Apple's iPhone on behalf of the FBI isn't confirming that it contributed to the law enforcement agency's investigation of the San Bernardino shooting rampage.

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The FBI, after failing to get Apple to help it crack open the phone of one of the terrorists who killed 14 people on December 2, hacked into the device with an outside technology firm. The Bureau has not named that firm, but industry sources told NBC News that it was Cellebrite that contributed to the effort.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 10:02 am

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-ill-decrypt-san-bernardino-phone-for-free-2016-2

People were lining up to crack it...because everyone already knew it already had been done.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 10:30 am

Which brings up a great point. This is not a new path never traveled to contract out investigative work, or technical capabilities to those that are experts in such field with expertize or knowledge. This is part of standard protocol if the investigative unit needs special skills for an investigation.

Need to crack a safe, they contract it out. Do they go to the safe manufacturer and demand they create a master combination that opens all safes so that government can access when needed? No. There's no legal means to do that. Maybe if the flag being flown is a red with a star, hammer and sickle. We're not there, yet. Though a great many people seem to find some strange appeal to doing anything for the state, no matter if it's legal. Strange.

Yep and its a absolute shame that organizations that should be totally independent of politics, especially those that have duties to investigate and prosecute infractions of the law have turned political these days.  

The FBI got political here, least on the surface to aid in the spy apparatus the US government already maintains over the people. There are likely other motivations here that are unknown.

This brings worry that they get political with Hillary's investigation and decisions about prosecution.  

I can't help but think the FBI might have gotten duped by subversive group or individuals at key places inside the FBI.  Double agents CIA or other working with the FBI role being their cover.  The FBI likely having no idea CIA moles have been planted at certain positions to influence or move certain decisions.  Can't imagine this covert subversion like activity is confined to the FBI.  

We learned from the Church hearings that the CIA had agents working at news papers, TV and media companies to influence pro government content, and squash negative government content.  So it's not unfathomable in 2016 how far out this game is now practiced.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 11:01 am

If the FBI couldn't crack it in the first place, where is all this money going?
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 11:18 am

The state department has an open requisition for three interior designers that paid anywhere from $120 to $180k a year if memory serves me.

DoD SecDef Ash Carter in a recent speech disclosed that the DoD is now over half of all US discretionary spend.  Seems there's a focus and desire for war.  That's where the money is going.  We also pay NGO's to overthrow secular governments, pay NGO's (churches) to bring in people from all over the world and dump them here.  We pay for their welfare once they're here, commit a crime, no issue we'll release you many times over.  It goes to no bid contracts to build construct say a natural gas filling station in Afghanistan of which never got built but we spent somewhere around $80 million on it. I could go on for days.  No one cares, no one pays attention.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 11:21 am

And we all wonder how a politician can enter office worth a few grand, make 100k a year, and become a multi-millionaire on that salary.

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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 12:07 pm

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemorgan/2016/03/30/john-mcafee-fbi-knew-all-along-they-could-unlock-an-iphone-with-cellebrites-ufed-touch/#17c60f552608
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 1:44 pm

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Why would the FBI bother to get caught up in a battle with Apple AAPL +0.12% if they already had a solution to unlock the iPhone? McAfee says the FBI was less interested in Apple than it was in precedent. If it won against Apple, then it could go to Google GOOGL -0.05% and get a master key into Android — which has 91% of the world market. A software master key — which costs nothing, can be given to every agent in the DOJ for free.

Which begs the question if the US government could mandate that Apple and Google provide them anytime anywhere access.  What other encrypted transports or sources could they demand backdoor access?  Access to TLS email gateway encryption, web server SSL, EMC VMAX hard drive encryption, Brocade storage media enryption, etc?

What would be the limitation?  None.  Look no further than the NSA's new slogan:  “The only part of the government that actually listens.”

In all seriousness.....  The National Reconnaissance Office NROL-39 mission logo and slogan.




What would the reaction be abroad if the government is provided full access to all consumer products?  The NSA has already damaged American tech company brands with tech purchasers looking for other than US tech options that don't have the NSA inside.   Would it incenetivize Apple or Google to relocate abroad or incentivize a foreign company to offer phones here in the US market with an OS that the US government didn't have precedence over?

Government at all costs takes precedent over all.  The new USA.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 6:43 pm

Nope, one time only Your Honor, we will never, ever, ever do another. Scouts Honor, Pinkie Swear!!

Wait....http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-arkansas-fbi-phone-access-20160330-story.html

Pandora's Hack.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 8:11 pm

I'm really surprised McAfee offered to hack it given his views on government.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   March 31st 2016, 8:39 pm

Here. I'll help law enforcement that are incapable of operating a web browser or search engine. Just click the link. Geee wasn't that hard was it.

http://www.cellebrite.com/

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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   April 8th 2016, 7:40 pm

Draft bill in the Senate “Compliance with Court Orders Act of 2016, authored by Senators Diane Feinstein and Richard Burr.

http://www.wired.com/2016/04/senates-draft-encryption-bill-privacy-nightmare/

The slow incremental steps toward communism.

Where the state now can demand you provide them with clear text data if so by ordered. Now the people work for the state. Nothing makes it more clear than. The onus is on you to provide for the state.

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“To uphold the rule of law and protect the security and interests of the United States"

Not a mention of the people. It's all about the state.

The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments in the Bill of Rights need not apply.

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Even more extreme, the draft bill also includes the requirement that “license distributors” ensure all “products, services, applications or software” they distribute provide that same easy access for law enforcement.

We used to have a country, with a government. Now we have a government that has a country.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   April 9th 2016, 9:19 am

They are protecting themselves from the people.

Next will be drone strikes right here in the US.

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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   April 9th 2016, 12:42 pm

Rand Paul asked the DOJ if the US can legal use weaponized drones to kill US citizens within the US, the answer was meet with the sound of crickets.

They've already killed US citizens abroad, four of them that I know of.  So much for due process, charged of crime and a trial by your peers.  American people's response, crickets.

It's always a concocted narrative, justified by extreme circumstance, of which later they admit is a standard operating practice (ie the NSA absorbing all of our electronic communications).  Then it's simply accepted, American response, crickets. Its okay for the government to break the law. Do as they say, not as they do.
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   April 9th 2016, 1:14 pm

Just the one phone the FBI pleaded.

Well that didn't take long, the FBI is back at Apple's doorstep again. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/08/in-appeal-feds-keep-pushing-apple-to-unlock-phone-in-brooklyn-case.html

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"To the extent that data on the Device is encrypted, Apple may provide a copy of the encrypted data to law enforcement but Apple is not required to attempt to decrypt, or otherwise enable law enforcement's attempts to access any encrypted data," the judge said, suggesting that the FBI should be provided with the unlock code for the phone.

Maybe my comprehension is slipping but I don't believe that's what the judges message stated or implied.

Maybe the FBI lost the bookmark. http://www.cellebrite.com/
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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   April 9th 2016, 2:47 pm

Providing the FBI with encrypted data seems like a fair compromise. Unfortunately that requires Apple to admit they have a method of accessing data on customer's phones. Maybe that's what the FBI wants Apple to admit?


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PostSubject: Re: Apple - FBI   April 10th 2016, 9:10 pm

Apple provided the FBI a virtual copy of the Farook's phone in the last case. That wasn't good enough. Having a copy of the phone as is, encrypted doesn't make any data on the device intelligible or reveal anything. It's encrypted. There's no access to the data in clear.

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