Posts : 1916 Join date : 2013-04-17 Location : Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 2:35 pm
It's not limited to LA, its all over.
The rules of engagement for LEO's to pull their firearm and shoot have completely vanished.
They shoot kids, elderly, homeless, anyone. There appears to be training involved to escalate most of all none violent situations drastically in a very short period of time to produce the result we see.
We need to really evaluate our approach when having any contact with any LEO, it should now days be primarily to simply survive and live another day.
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joemac
Posts : 1916 Join date : 2013-04-17 Location : Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 2:48 pm
Look at the gear they have, the tactics, the nomenclature. Classic military. "Moving up". Yep classic infantry to not shoot friendly as he moves up from rear.
What was the threat, he was homeless, mentally ill, and illegally camping. Some homeowner near by called and reported him. Hope they sleep well at night.
joemac
Posts : 1916 Join date : 2013-04-17 Location : Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 3:11 pm
joemac
Posts : 1916 Join date : 2013-04-17 Location : Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 3:20 pm
So you get a call for "man with a gun". As an LEO, you go sliding up the patrol car to within 10 feet of the suspect. Jump out and shoot.
Let's not be cautious observant as the LEO moves into the scene, attempt to confirm the report. Do I see any shots being fired? Hear any shots being fired? See any bodies, blood?
Naa fly into the scene, point blank range, where the LEO's themselves would be in immediate deadly danger should the report be legitimate. Jump out shoot. Then figure out it's a 12 year old boy with a BB gun.
joemac
Posts : 1916 Join date : 2013-04-17 Location : Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 3:23 pm
Posts : 1916 Join date : 2013-04-17 Location : Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 3:27 pm
An too think my dad and his brother were all over south Georgia when they were kids with they .22 rifles shooting squires and rabbit wherever they roamed. Lucky to be alive? No
joemac
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Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 3:29 pm
Scout
Posts : 371 Join date : 2013-03-01
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 4:09 pm
When they say not wearing a seat belt could cost you your life I had no idea that's what they meant.
joemac
Posts : 1916 Join date : 2013-04-17 Location : Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 7:52 pm
Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association President Steve Loomis described Tamir Rice last week as “menacing” and has defended Officers Loehmann and Garmback while dismissing the media’s scrutiny of Loehmann’s personnel file as a “sideshow”. “There’s this perception that police just slid up in the car and shot him. That’s not reality from the officers’ perception. They acted based on what they knew at the time,” Loomis said regarding the officers’ actions.
“Tamir Rice is in the wrong,” he said. “He’s menacing. He’s 5-feet-7, 191 pounds. He wasn’t that little kid you’re seeing in pictures. He’s a 12-year-old in an adult body. Tamir looks to his left and sees a police car. He puts his gun in his waistband. Those people- 99 percent of the time those people run away from us. We don’t want him running into the rec center. That could be a whole other set of really bad events. They’re trying to flush him into the field. Frank [the driver] is expecting the kid to run. The circumstances are so fluid and unique.”
Looking "menacing" is now deemed a crime that's punishable by execution on the spot it appears.
theshyguy
Posts : 1039 Join date : 2013-04-24 Age : 40 Location : Lubbock Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 2nd 2015, 10:38 pm
Preemptive strike! Shoot 'em before he can commit a crime. Crime by anyone other than the police will drop dramatically!
toyboxrv
Posts : 140 Join date : 2013-03-02
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 3rd 2015, 11:07 am
Two of the cops who shot the homeless guy for illegal camping have had charges filed against them. They're now arguing whether or not the local DA can present the case.
joemac
Posts : 1916 Join date : 2013-04-17 Location : Texas
Subject: Re: I recommend staying out of Los Angeles for a while March 3rd 2015, 2:50 pm
Two of the six officers who beat Kelly Thomas to death were charged and acquitted.
Kelly Thomas was a homeless man diagnosed with schizophrenia who lived on the streets of Fullerton, California. He was beaten and killed by Jay Cicinelli, Manuel Ramos, and Joseph Wolfe, three members of the Fullerton Police Department, on July 5, 2011. Thomas was taken to St. Jude Medical Center before being transferred to the UC Irvine Medical Center, where he was comatose on arrival and not expected to recover. He never regained consciousness, and died on July 10, 2011.
Medical records show that bones in his face were broken and he choked on his own blood. The coroner concluded that compression of the thorax made it impossible for Thomas to breathe normally and deprived his brain of oxygen. His parents removed him from life support five days later, and he died from his injuries on July 10, 2011. Officer Manuel Ramos was charged with one count of second-degree murder and one count of involuntary manslaughter; Corporal Jay Cicinelli and Officer Joseph Wolfe were each charged with one count of felony involuntary manslaughter and one count of excessive force. All three pleaded not guilty.
A judge declined to dismiss the charges against the officers in January 2013, finding that "a reasonable person could infer that the use of force was excessive and unreasonable." An appeals court judge also denied a request to overturn the lower court's decision. On January 13, 2014, Ramos and Cicinelli were found not guilty of all charges, while the trial for Joe Wolfe was pending. Following the verdict for the two officers, the district attorney's office announced it would not pursue the case against Officer Wolfe.
In the Wiki there are before and after pictures of Kelly.