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PostSubject: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 9th 2014, 12:30 pm

Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car
By Jim Edwards
Via Business Insider
January 8, 2014



Ford's Global VP/Marketing and Sales, Jim Farley, said something both sinister and obvious during a panel discussion about data privacy today at CES, the big electronics trade show in Las Vegas.Because of the GPS units installed in Ford vehicles, Ford knows when its drivers are speeding, and where they are while they're doing it.

Farley was trying to describe how much data Ford has on its customers, and illustrate the fact that the company uses very little of it in order to avoid raising privacy concerns: "We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you're doing it. We have GPS in your car, so we know what you're doing. By the way, we don't supply that data to anyone," he told attendees.

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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 9th 2014, 3:05 pm

This isn't really anything new. GM has On Star that can do the same. Black boxes have been common in cars for a while, but at least someone had to physically plug in to them to see what was going on.

I don't know where the story was but GM also said they will start doing this on more of the lineup.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/automobiles/chevrolet-introduces-corvette-performance-data-recorder-at-ces.html?_r=0
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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 9th 2014, 5:31 pm

After Toyotas 'Unintended Acceleration' fiasco, all the manufacturers are looking to cover their asses as best they can. The price for that unfortunately is a little bit of our freedom.
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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 9th 2014, 6:58 pm

Just so they aren't doing it in real time.

I think we should all know where they're located and how to destroy them.
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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 9th 2014, 9:13 pm

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After Toyotas 'Unintended Acceleration' fiasco, all the manufacturers are looking to cover their asses as best they can. The price for that unfortunately is a little bit of our freedom.

Notice there's always some justification for taking more of your privacy and freedom to do was you want without observation.
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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 9th 2014, 9:36 pm

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ggbaird wrote:
After Toyotas 'Unintended Acceleration' fiasco, all the manufacturers are looking to cover their asses as best they can. The price for that unfortunately is a little bit of our freedom.

Notice there's always some justification for taking more of your privacy and freedom to do was you want without observation.

Yup, but if the minions weren't jumping on the band-wagon to shoot for a get-rich-quick scheme and rape the manufacturers in the first place... maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't have come to this. I did say maybe. I really don't want to defend the corporate giants, but they have to watch their backs too.
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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 9th 2014, 10:05 pm

Even so they're likely not the only users of the information.  Rarely is this information keep in the confines of the entity that collects it.

For instance the NSA.  They're either inside willingly (cooperate knowingly cooperates), inside unknowingly (infiltration), or upstream (just outside monitoring).  One way or another some else will gain access to the data.

In NSA terms this and other identifiyable means are known as a "selector"

Selectors are logical associations that are related to a person’s identification. Anything you use, touch, go, or do. Selectors are a set of “objects” that are used to associate to unique identifiable individual.  Selectors can be your voice fingerprint, your online purchase, your social media ID's, your face identified on closed circuit TV, your toll tag, your phone number, your license plate, your web browser, your cell IMEI via cell tower, your email address, your home router IP. Anything and everything is used.

Whenever any of these selectors are keyed, passes by a sensor infested into internet infrastructure throughout companies, content providers, telecommunications companies your phone or even your home wifi router, your activity is tracked and logged. Many companies activity participate, and about 70% of companies are "upstream" they don't knowingly participate, but information they have is ex-filtrated and used.  And yes any GPS device whether its Ford or anyone else has, your vehicle and your phone are part of it.

This is an emerging pattern based identity system that attempts to identify every person on the planet. this data along with The NSA and CIA have a system where they track people, “You track them, we whack them”. Published in the Washington post mid last year. This information on you is openly shared with GCHQ in the UK, and five other countries. Privacy, there effectively is none.

We have a whole bunch of spies, generally acting like criminals who are saying we need to use them as a vanguard for securing ourselves. The way that we do that is we leave ourselves intentionally insecure on the promise and hopes they will protect us.

Many citizens in the US aligning with spirit of the 4th amendment are of the expectation, when a person makes a phone call to another person, it is intended to be private. Whether it's via a cell phone, skype, land line, or two cans with a string. There was never any intention for anyone else to know anything about the call. No one else needs to know that the call happened or what the contents of the call was.

When a person travels from home to work, there is a privacy expectation that no one needs to track and keep a record of that persons geographical location or the route chosen and that persons location at all times of day or night.

That's the bigger issue.  The violation of privacy is rarely the vendor, they are merely part of the means of the vulnerability that enables the surveillance apparatus.

These people are brazen.... Case in point the logo from the National Reconnaissance Office.

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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 10th 2014, 10:47 am

Ford's Farley was way off base and it'll likely cost him dearly as future Ford customers will now steer clear of buying Ford's GPS enabled products. There's little concern for those of us not using On Star etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 10th 2014, 10:50 am

I doubt the NSA has access to vehicle black boxes since the box is self contained and, aside from those few folks using diagnostics via wireless (OnStar etc), only accessible when hardwired to diagnostic equipment. We could go crazy with conspiracy theories about smog check sites and auto dealerships being part of the NSA's network but still the data is of little value beside the normal manufacturer, rental car company, etc.

The black box probably has two data storage methods. The first is long term storage of erratic driving (high speed, sharp turns, hard acceleration or braking, etc) which is sporadic, the driver is an unknown, and so there's little value to the NSA.

The second storage method would record the last 30mins or so of driving for accident reconstruction. It's overwritten every time the vehicle is driven. Again, not much value to the NSA plus local authorities will likely generate a far more thorough report in the end.
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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 10th 2014, 1:38 pm

From what I recall On-star has already been found guilty of tracking non-paying customers. They kept the GPS active and sell the data they mine.

Do you think insurance companies would be interested in your driving style?
Simple to keep track of how many excess G-force moves, speeding etc.

Just a matter of time all new cars sold in the US will have some form of satellite tracking. Most likely will be used for taxation purposes. At first.

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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 10th 2014, 3:24 pm

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From what I recall On-star has already been found guilty of tracking non-paying customers. They kept the GPS active and sell the data they mine.

Do you think insurance companies would be interested in your driving style?
Simple to keep track of how many excess G-force moves, speeding etc.

Just a matter of time all new cars sold in the US will have some form of satellite tracking. Most likely will be used for taxation purposes. At first.


One article I read said that was related to Onstar clients that stopped Onstar service but didn't know they also needed to stop the data connection.

I'm not sure if GM could break even selling information while also paying for the data connection.
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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 11th 2014, 8:18 am

Jim Farley Appologizes

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Ford marketing head honcho Jim Farley made waves at CES this week by telling show attendees, "We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you're doing it." according to a report by Business Insider. Farley continued by saying, "We have GPS in your car, so we know what you're doing. By the way, we don't supply that data to anyone."

Farley has since amended his statement, saying that Ford dose not, in fact, track its customers in their cars "without their approval or consent."

Apparently carried away with a hypothetical notion, Farley was attempting to describe how Ford might be able to employee aggregated user data for things like accurate traffic reporting and pattern spotting. A Ford spokesperson confirmed with Business Insider that its GPS units are not sharing the whereabouts of drivers, though there are a few on-board services that might do so. After opting in to the services (and presumably being made aware of any/all tracking and data collection), Ford's Sync Services Directions and Crew Chief software do, in fact, allow data collection as a means of improving both systems. Farley added that the opt-in data is not shared, even when being tracked.

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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 13th 2014, 11:36 am

Looking at Mark Fields apology, he states that they don't track customers without their approval or consent. Mark, what companies come and ask us for consent to track us? NONE of them, no company would. But they do, and many corporate behemoths do knowingly without customers knowing. Verizon didn't let its customers know it was sharing data with the NSA. Google doesn't, none of them do. And Mark if your not knowing and actively participating with the NSA, that's alright, they'll get the data anyway. Now be quiet, get back to your day job, quit trying to impress a bunch of technologists and go market some cars.
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PostSubject: Re: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car   January 13th 2014, 11:54 am

I'm sure in some way our government wants access to all this GPS tracking data.

On a side topic of tracking data.....
Why can other countries buy cell phones off the shelf ALONG with SIM cards?
Walk into a store, grab a phone, get a SIM card and within 10 minutes you're making calls. Here you can buy a car or phone for the same amount of time.


....now where is my tin foil hat, I'm sure that I'm on somebodies radar now.........
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