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PostSubject: Syria    August 26th 2013, 11:05 pm

The war mongers and military infrastructure are soon to get a boost. US taxpayers are about to get stuck with about a half billion dollars for the Syrian war effort. Probably $100 million for the initial war effort - each cruise missile is about $1.5million plus the cost of moving the navy around. And then probably another $200 million for infrastructure improvement.

Might be good to buy some Raytheon stock for the short term.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 27th 2013, 10:54 am

There's another another one million refugees in various refugee camps around the Syrian border currently. Get read for about 750,000 of them to be relocated into the US. Just like we do time and time again. They moved several thousand Somalis into the Minneapolis St. Paul area. How's that working out for the United States and the local community? Hint, it's a far cry from the "American Dream". They keep telling us about.

You've just started to brush some of the costs. The CIA, state department, will or have added another 300% to what the military will spend. Can't forget about the covert actions to equip and coordinate with the rebel factions, and the private (no in the US military chain of command) mercenaries that have next to zero rules of engagement.

There's a reason we have a 17,000 person largest most expensive embassy ever built in Baghdad. So we can operate out of sight and with impunity mercenary operations at our discretion with zero visibility and oversight by the American people. This location is critical to operations in the region. Go map the area and geography around, observe the neighboring countries. This is our main base of operation of shadow wars that no one hears about.

Why does the US need 17,000 people station in the middle of Baghdad? What's the purpose? Most Americans couldn't fathom a single guess. But they''ll have a ten minute dialog on Miley Cirus.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 27th 2013, 2:39 pm

John Kerry spouted it was "immoral" to use chemical weapons. Somehow attempting to differentiate that there's a difference in US dropping bombs, cruise missiles, hell-fire, GPS guided bombs, 30mm rounds from an A10, or 20mm rounds from an Apache is somehow a moral way to die.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 27th 2013, 8:30 pm

Like it or not, it's comin'.

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 27th 2013, 11:53 pm

Nothing to do with liking it or not.  It's wrong morally, the action is not Constitution, violates the Geneva conventions.  Many people are going to die because of our governments thirst for war.

Yet when we do it, it's permissible and not immoral.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/iraq-war-anniversary-birth-defects-cancer_n_2917701.html


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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 29th 2013, 11:44 am

It's not certain yet. Common sense might finally be prevailing in the UK and US...

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 29th 2013, 2:03 pm

No way.  They want it.  They're just not confident they can white wash the narrative as acceptable justification.  Too many people aren't accepting the current story as justification.  The administration knows this, now they're floating the idea that there could be a second chemical attack.  If the US can manufacturer this somehow, a chemical attack killing more people.  The administration will likely get its wish to kill yet more people and spread democracy and freedom at the end of the bomb yet again.

They will try and keep trying.

Number one cause of death over the last century, democide, death by government.

America how does it feel to live in a post Constitutional America? Where the Constitutional is selectively observed or referenced only when it's politically expedient, all other times it's ignored or eviscerated.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 29th 2013, 9:17 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 30th 2013, 12:53 pm

We'll find out if Mr. Executive power gives us all the finger and pulls the trigger anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 30th 2013, 2:53 pm

Johnny Botox Heinz-Kerry is for war again, after he was against it, before he was for it, but after he threw his medals over the fence, that wasn't his, that he earned in a war he was against, that he signed up for when he was for it.

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 31st 2013, 9:12 am

It seems right now only Obama and France want this action. We did warn them a year ago about chemical weapons, but the facts are not in yet and Obama wants to bomb yet another country. If the majority of the world is saying lets think about this first, why are we so hell bent in investing in another war. Africa can have the genocides that kill 300,000 people and it barely gets a reaction.

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 31st 2013, 12:17 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russia-sharply-steps-up-criticism-of-us-over-syria/2013/08/31/532c48ea-1238-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_print.html

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The Foreign Ministry said a U.S. attack would be a “gross violation” of international law.

Speaking out for the first time since an alleged chemical weapons attack near Damascus on Aug. 21, Putin called on President Obama to find a nonviolent way out of the crisis.

“I would like to address Obama as a Nobel Peace Prize laureate: Before using force in Syria, it would be good to think about future casualties,” Putin told Russian news agencies in Vladivostok during a tour of the country’s flood-stricken Far East.

“Russia is urging you to think twice before making a decision on an operation in Syria,” he said.
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On Friday, the head of the foreign affairs committee of the lower house of parliament, Alexei Pushkov, said the Nobel committee should strip Obama of his 2009 Peace Prize if he launches an attack on Syria.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 31st 2013, 12:34 pm

"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even list to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."

Dwight D. Eisenhower - Arguably one of the most respected and thoughtful military men in our nations history.

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 31st 2013, 12:38 pm

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It seems right now only Obama and France want this action. We did warn them a year ago about chemical weapons, but the facts are not in yet and Obama wants to bomb yet another country. If the majority of the world is saying lets think about this first, why are we so hell bent in investing in another war. Africa can have the genocides that kill 300,000 people and it barely gets a reaction.
Why? Because war is enormously profitable. We were warned, and have not heeded.



It is a predictive outcome that we will create more and more enemy's when thousands and millions of poeple are personally affected by the United States.

Here's a small sample.....



Murdered 21 Woman And 14 Children

Where's the "Sandy Hook outcry here". There isn't here in the US because everything is secret. Somehow human lives in other countries have no meaning. We have been purposely desensitized and not allowed to see the real effects of war and what we're doing abroad.

How many friends have you made recently by kicking the sh!t out of them? How many enemies do you make when you kick the sh!t out of them?

Again it's a predictive, wanted outcome by the US government.


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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 31st 2013, 12:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    August 31st 2013, 7:20 pm

Looks like Obama is getting cold feet. Now he wants congressional approval and a sizable number of liberals and conservatives are saying no.


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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 3rd 2013, 5:25 pm

Not so fast, now Boner, Cantor, Graham and McCain are all beating the war drums.  The last two in this crew are always looking to use the US military anywhere, anytime, for any reason. They love that military might and can't stand any restraint on killing a bunch of people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10283758/First-Syria-rebels-armed-and-trained-by-CIA-on-way-to-battlefield.html

Now we're propping up Al-Qaeda and officially talking about it.  We've been doing this for a while along with the 300 Marines that are in Jordon on the Syrian border training the rebels...errr Al-Qaeda.

Turkey busted two shipments this year of Sarin gas attempting to cross into Syria via the FSA and Al Nasrah Front, the later being larger and stronger of the two and directly tied with Al-Qaeda.

It was reported this weekend a UK company was permitted to ship ingredients for Sarin gas to Syria earlier this year.

The power structure is doing everything it can to have a reason to go to war.  Damned us for calling them out on it.

They've got the theater going now that Congress is going to provide the direction. The President will do what it is he wants when it wants, Congress be damned. All Congress is currently is an illusion that we are having our voice heard.

Then you've got the Israeli's firing off basaltic missiles in area trying to provoke something or blame someone for something.

There will be war. Make no mistake.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 3rd 2013, 7:47 pm

This is the strangest Syrian news story yet, titled "Hesitation on Syrian Strike Threatens Economic Recover."

It's ridiculously stupid! The economy hasn't gotten better for years and now it's because of Obama's lack of Syrian decisiveness on the missile strike. Really?!

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/hesitation-syrian-strike-threatens-economic-recovery-222344628.html
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 4th 2013, 11:13 am

Of course defense companies are people too. Some Republican Senators can put aside their Syrian attack concerns if they get an increase in military budget spending.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/02/politics/us-syria-defense/?hpt=us_c2

I've emailed my politicians and the white house to let them know where my vote sits.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 4th 2013, 11:37 am

I am not understanding the difference between lets say getting shot to death beheaded or gassed they are all pretty bad ways to die , and why is it our business what happens in Syria anyway ?
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 4th 2013, 12:31 pm

After repeatedly drawing the red line and backing the red line for over a year now, Obama today said in Sweden that "I didn't draw a red line, the world drew a red line".

He isn't even responsible for his own words.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 4th 2013, 7:02 pm

Hilux wrote:
I am not understanding the difference between lets say getting shot to death beheaded or gassed they are all pretty bad ways to die , and why is it our business what happens in Syria anyway ?
It's all about the defense industry business. The defense industry is in a period of contraction and the right wing military zealots want to change that.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 4th 2013, 9:51 pm

“I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.”

― Dwight D. Eisenhower
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 6th 2013, 12:45 pm

“No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 6th 2013, 8:34 pm

McCain never saw a potential war he didn't love. How many wars has that guy beat the drum for? He's no American hero; he's a nut job.

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 6th 2013, 9:07 pm

They call him a war hero. He got shot down in his A4 shortly after arriving on the Forestal after couple dozen sorties. Did he save a battalion of Army infantry by dropping two 500 lb bombs danger close? Did he kill 15 Vietcong with a pair of shoe laces? No no and no.

There are many who have done some incredibly heroic things in battle when up against fantastic odds. What McCain is doing now and over the past 20 years removes any heroic cache he may have had. He's cost the lives of untold thousands of human beings all over the world since he's been a Senator. He and a bunch more of his buddies are flat out war criminals.

If we had this crew in charge back in the '62 Cuban missile crisis, we would have certainly had thermonuclear exchange with the Russians and likely wouldn't be here today.

President Kennedy asked General LeMay what the Russian's response to us would be if we used tactical weapons took out the missiles and a few Russian advisers on the ground in Cuba. LeMay stated the Russians wouldn't do anything, they wouldn't respond cause the cost would be too high. President Kennedy knew we were in trouble as the Joint Chiefs wanted war.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 6th 2013, 11:55 pm

McCain was born with the proverbial silver spoon in mouth. Was a bit of a cut up at the naval academy, had a chip on shoulder, argued with superiors no doubt because his dad and grandpa were 4 star Navy admirals. Reportedly wasn't much of a pilot. It took him more time than most to get good and known to fly above his abilities. He crashed 2 jets and flew another into a power line. It's a checkered military history. No doubt in today's military he would have lost his wings and got the boot.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 8th 2013, 11:39 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Syria    September 9th 2013, 4:09 pm

What's amazing is that the American people haven't bought their crap. They state they have presented evidence. No, the government has "told" us you have evidence. We haven't seen nor been presented anything. Ignore the authorization that you asked Congress for.

Somehow to our government its morally acceptable to murder humans on the end of a hell fire, 2000 lb bomb, or enriched uranium off of which we've done.

Its obvious they want war, they're hell bent on doing so.

Still haven't heard anyone ask what are the protected causality numbers predicted by our assumed multi-day strike.
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