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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    October 15th 2015, 2:49 am

To make the news reel, they must be proud their bombs landed within a 1/4 mile from the camera's cross/target indicator.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    October 31st 2015, 6:45 pm

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/26/pentagon-missionary-spies-christian-ngo-front-for-north-korea-espionage/

Great article, long and detailed, unlike the MSM.  Here's the cliff notes.

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The secret Pentagon program, which dates back to December 2004, continued well into the Obama presidency. It was the brainchild of a senior Defense Department intelligence official of the Bush administration, Lt. Gen. William “Jerry” Boykin. Boykin, an evangelical Christian who ran into criticism in 2003 for his statements about Islam, settled on the ruse of the NGO as he was seeking new and unorthodox ways to penetrate North Korea.

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With the war on terror intensifying, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld charged Boykin and his superior, Stephen Cambone, with the task of increasing the department’s ability to conduct intelligence operations independent from the CIA.

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According to former military officials, Boykin took a page from the CIA’s playbook and looked for ways to provide cover for Pentagon espionage operations. Hiramine’s group was one of several NGOs used by the Pentagon in this way. Some, like HISG, already existed as fledgling organizations, while others were created from scratch by the Pentagon.

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“It is unacceptable that the Pentagon or any other U.S. agency use nonprofits for intelligence gathering,” Worthington said. “It is a violation of the basic trust between the U.S. government and its civic sector.”

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The espionage effort was one of the most secretive programs at the Pentagon, called an unacknowledged and waived “special access program,” or SAP.The designation meant that Defense Secretary Rumsfeld was required only to brief the chair and ranking members of both appropriations and armed services committees, who were not allowed to take notes or bring in staffers.

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Hiramine, in his role as CEO of HISG, tapped Christian missionaries, aid workers, and Chinese smugglers to move equipment into and around North Korea — none of whom had any idea that they were part of a secret Pentagon operation.

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Because American intelligence has so few assets inside North Korea, much of Hiramine’s task was to find transportation routes to move military equipment — and potentially clandestine operatives — in and around the country. The Pentagon would eventually move sensors and small radio beacons through Hiramine’s transportation network, according to another former military official. Much of what Hiramine was doing was what the military refers to as “operational preparation of the environment,” or OPE, a category that encompasses clandestine intelligence gathering and prepositioning equipment inside a country for future conflicts.

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But two former officials said the intelligence and the network used to gain access inside the country were formally distributed to the CIA in what the U.S. intelligence community calls IIRs, or “intelligence information reports,” indicating the CIA was aware the Pentagon was using an NGO to conduct the operations. The CIA referred all questions about Hiramine’s intelligence reports to the Pentagon.

“If true, to use unwitting aid workers on behalf of an intelligence operation, people who genuinely do humanitarian work, to turn their efforts into intel collection is unacceptable,” said Rep. Jan Schakowsky, who served on the House Intelligence Committee from 2007 until this year. Schakowsky said she was unaware of the program, and unaware of any briefings given to the committee chair and ranking members.

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It is UNCLEAR how exactly Hiramine became involved in the Pentagon espionage effort, but his nonprofit presented a convenient vehicle for the Pentagon to hide intelligence-gathering missions and shipments of clandestine military equipment into denied areas.

Using an approach pioneered by the CIA, the Pentagon obscured the origin of the funding for the organization. “If you expose the money, you expose the network,” said a former military official who is critical of the program’s lack of oversight.

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In all, HISG operated in more than 30 countries, significantly funded by the Pentagon.

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“If these people had been caught and tried and executed in downtown Pyongyang you’d really understand the risk,” said Robert Baer, a retired CIA officer who spent more than 20 years conducting espionage operations.

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With HISG gone, the Pentagon began to dismantle the funding mechanisms that propped up the organization.

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Private Sector Consulting was dissolved in December 2013, and this year, for the first time since it was created, Working Partners Foundation did not receive any money from New Millennium Trust.

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According to tax filings, Working Partners wrote one final check for $475,500 to the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, a division of the Treasury Department, earlier this year. “The board of directors elected to terminate the foundation and pay all funds remaining to the United States treasury to be used to reduce the public debt,” according to public tax records. Working Partners was dissolved in January.

In other words, Working Partners gave its remaining funds as a gift to the federal government, a strange move for a private foundation — though not, perhaps, for one serving as cover for a now-terminated Pentagon program.

Pentagon in all funded around $15 million in espionage through a private company, a charity, and a foundation (NGO).  Media was all the rage when Russia started kicking out western backed NGO foundations.  Now it's easy to see why.  Over 60 western backed NGO's were operating in Ukraine instigating their faux revolution, this same play has been used in Cuba, Egypt, Libya, and Syria.  Imagine if we knew about the full scope of all the NGO's, the associated funding and activities.  Much less about the more obvious government aid agencies like USAID which is simply used as an extension of the CIA.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 4th 2015, 1:33 am

Here's what happens when country meddling fails:

http://www.lucify.com/the-flow-towards-europe/
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 4th 2015, 9:39 am

Thats what selling your soul looks like. Those are the ones who's coming to take it, and countless others.

In the end, this government sanctioned invasion will be what causes WW3. The barbarian horde is being willfully imported.

Terrorism in the streets of civilized man will be an every day occurrence.

You have to wonder just how much longer the people will put up with this nonsense.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 4th 2015, 11:57 am

People will put up with nonsense for much longer than you would expect, it will play out slowly until a catastrophic event happens by home grown terrorists. Then it will turn ugly.

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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 4th 2015, 3:55 pm

No borders, no language, no culture coming in spades. BHO being true to the promise of fundamentally transform the country.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 9th 2015, 2:53 pm

Unquestionable full tilt psychopaths.



http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin

NeoCon much?  Still trying to blame the sarin gas on the Syrian government?  What was the motive for the Syrian government Lindsey?  Why were no rebels (terrorists, jihadists) killed, just Syrian civilians and Syrian soldiers?  Lie often Lindsey or just when expedient?

We just want war right Lindsey?  What replaces the Syrian government once you topple it?  Same playbook for our success in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen?  Or is just aid for ISIS, make them big and strong enough, so we can then sell the American people on another full fledged invasion to wipe out ISIS?  Did we ever take care of al-Qaeda Lindsey?  Why is Russia having success?  Maybe because their not arming ISIS?  

We have issue with Russia, invading a sovereign country?  How is it an invasion when the current Syrian government requested their presence?  Did the US get requested or permission in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somali?  Do as we say, not as we do.


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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 9th 2015, 5:18 pm

That seems to be the lesson that still has not been learned. Topple the leader of a country, who takes over? We have seen this happen all over the mid-east yet continue to insist that Assad step down.

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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 9th 2015, 8:31 pm

Assad is probably the choice among crappy options just like Sadam was. Unfortunately, the US had to force the issue so Russia, Iran, etc made adjustments to ensure Assad stayed in power. Let those countries spend money fighting another crappy middle eastern conflict.

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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 10th 2015, 12:34 am

I would hate Graham as president the same reason McCain scared me, never saw a threat they didnt want to bomb.

I'm with Trump on this idea of letting Russia drop some bombs. Let them spend time, money and lives fighting a common enemy. Now they get to have their civilians killed by these barbarians instead of just us and our allies.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 10th 2015, 11:28 am

Lindsey is all concerned about the 250k killed in Syria, yet not a care or mention of the million plus dead in Iraq, and the few other hundred thousand in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen.

The way he acted there in chamber is as if a three year old didn't get their popsicle when they wanted. He nearly throws a tantrum. Many civilized adults would consider it a tantrum.

Lindsey needs to actually look at what the US has done to the middle east over the last 13 years.

Caught a mention the other day the CIA annex in Benghazi. No one ever asks what they were doing. It was mentioned that they were trying to take back weapons caches they had distributed at the time of the attack. Alleged, but interesting.

The instigator in all of these conflicts and chaos has a common element, USA. We lied to about the start of this 13 years ago with WMD's, Saddam being tied to al-Queda, the lies have continued unabated, war and death in tow. al-Queda who we armed and trained in the 70's. Just a couple weeks after 911 General Wesly Clark indicated the Pentagon had plans to attack seven nations in five years. And you know seems those plans are still in play. The countries he identified are the countries we're attacking and have been attacking.

Ironically Saddam was the US choice to lead Iraq in the 70's. The CIA had a heavy hand in the coup of '63, and '68. In '73 pumping money into Iran, for the Kurds to topple al-Bakr's Ba'ath party in the late 70's put Saddam in the Presidency.

With Assad there was a secular government, with a number of religions, faiths, sects that all kind of keep to themselves and respected others. No mass war, no mass oppression as US media likes to spout. Listen to Syrian's tell their story, vastly different than the story the US media portrays. The "civil" war US media likes to spout, was the ginned up workings of the CIA, USAID, NGO's to create instability, with a predetermined outcome to again use our vast military. What a shame we're lied to on such a constant bases.

If the US had a real problem with terrorism, malls, bridges, retail shopping centers would be getting blown up weekly. Hard to justify military and security spend when there's peace. So it appears just like Defense Secretary Panetta stated, to be prepared for a 30 year war. Wonder if the US credit card will last that long. How many more dead?
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 10th 2015, 12:36 pm

The entire Arab Spring was a genned up botched US operation to put Obama's approved muslims in charge...only thing, the rest of the muslims didn't want them.

Its amazing that the chaos didn't completely envelop Egypt either, if their military wouldn't have stepped in and squashed it, they would have.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 25th 2015, 10:18 am

Matt Drudge tweeted yesterday the US is arming ISIS with anncompanying articles and unclassified documents from the CIA stating such.  Now Turkey is shooting down Russian planes and shooting pilots as they decend in their parachutes while chanting ala akbar.

Headlines today....

JET HIT 'INSIDE SYRIA'...

PUTIN THREATENS REVENGE...

US BACKED 'REBELS' DOWN RUSSIAN HELICOPTER...

American anti-tank gun...

RUSSIA DEPLOYS MISSILE CRUISER OFF SYRIA COAST...

Ordered to destroy any target posing danger...
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Seems the US wants WWIII at any cost.  That's if WWIII hasn't already begun.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 25th 2015, 10:45 pm

So far Russia's hope of climbing oil prices hasn't materialized. Gotta wonder how far off it is. Hopefully Russia runs out of funds before seeing success in Syria.

And Saudia Arabia is doing their best interpretation of US budget deficits. They're in a no-win situation. Lose oil price control by letting other countries gain marketshare or continue to lose money pumping oil. If their economy falters the masses will revolt within the kingdom.

The world was better off with Sadam in power and the same is probably true with Syrian dictator Assad.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 25th 2015, 11:12 pm

I don't understand the idea of doing whatever it takes for market share. I would rather have 5% market share and make $500,000,000,000 than have 20% and make $150,000,000,000 which seems to be their strategy. You cant build new palaces and buy fleets of 2016 sport cars as well as fund your give-aways to your population with market share. Anyone have an idea?
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    November 26th 2015, 12:32 pm

I don't know other than to guess the Saudi's underestimated it and hoped it would be short lived by busting the US oil industry with quick return to normal prices.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    December 2nd 2015, 2:13 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/01/state-department-troubled-by-moscows-move-against-soros-groups.html

Russia appears to know the game the US State Department and NGO's play, they've seen it play out in Ukraine first hand, being only 450 miles from Moscow, yea least they have a desire to keep the country they have. Ours is being turned into a third world cesspool with a large dose of political correctness and a citizenry that can't tie their own shoes.

Soro's home country kicked him out, he's not not welcome back. It's relieving to know he's a US citizen. His foundation and non-profits only purpose is to subvert and undermine countries to institute coups for his agenda and control. Not a surprise the US totes him along on international affairs. The game is up USA stop screwing around in others business. We're not liked and or welcomed because of this very crap.
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PostSubject: Re: US Country Meddling    December 2nd 2015, 2:35 pm

theshyguy wrote:
I don't understand the idea of doing whatever it takes for market share. I would rather have 5% market share and make $500,000,000,000 than have 20% and make $150,000,000,000 which seems to be their strategy. You cant build new palaces and buy fleets of 2016 sport cars as well as fund your give-aways to your population with market share. Anyone have an idea?

They're not after money, they've got plenty, their after control. They get their rocks off on control. They must have naked pictures with everyone in Washington fondling little boys. 17 of 19 hi-jackers on 911 were Saudi's, yet we bomb Afghanistan. The 28 page section of the 911 report that still classified implicates the Saudi's in funding aiding the perpetrators. If the US had any integrity and balls..... well we have neither....
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