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PostSubject: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 17th 2014, 10:26 am

Ben a year ago informs us of US actions leading to the creation of ISIS. How its a surprise to politicians, media and the country now defies logical reasoning. There's always unintended consequences from our covert meddling. Usually aimed at the US. We're too arrogant to think that equipping, arming and enabling Islamic rebels we won't get blackmailed, lied too, or deceived. The US is the King of deceit, how we can't see this coming is beyond fundamental reasoning. The more likely conclusion is that covertly this is an intended consequence, so we can publically keep our people in infinite fear, this provides the emotional public acceptance for the government to conquer, fight, and keep the coffers full for the well connected MIL. We're now sowing the seeds we laid. Too bad the American people only invest just enough interest to spout a sentence fragment, "Bomb and kill them all." That's about the extent of which 95% of people in the country know about any of this. Hell they can't pick out their home state on a map of the US, much less find Syria. Please let's continue, covertly create issues for us to then publically bomb them, and them over there, and them over there. Don't look behind door number three at what the CIA, DoS (NGO's), are doing please remain ignorant, the country is much better off that way.



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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   June 9th 2015, 3:17 pm

How complice is the US in the creation of these terror groups?  We're all in.  Seems we keep dusting off this playbook, while not being truthful to the American people time and time again.  American people for the most part could care less it seems.

http://www.infowars.com/cia-admits-it-creates-terrorism/

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Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also admitted the U.S. created and funded al-Qaeda.

A recently released Pentagon document shows that the U.S. and the CIA deliberately sided with al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups to topple Bashir al-Assad in Syria.

The CIA directed and funded the violent overthrow of the Libyan government. Libya is now a third world cesspool rife with terrorists, including ISIS. The “rebels” supported by the CIA had direct links to al-Qaeda. After the fall of Gaddafi the CIA established a “rat line” to siphon arms to al-Qaeda and the “rebels” in Syria.

The U.S. and the CIA have created “breeding ground for these extremists by invading Iraq in 2003. Had it not been for the vacuum of power left by the removal and execution of Saddam, Al-Qaeda in Iraq, aka ISIS, would not exist. And had it not been for Washington’s attempt at toppling Assad by arming, funding and training shadowy militant groups in Syria, there is no way that ISIS would have been capable of storming into Iraq in June of 2014,” notes Investment Watch.

While the U.S. government and its propaganda media continue to insist ISIS is a homegrown phenomenon, there is plenty of evidence — all of studiously ignored by the media — that ISIS is in fact a U.S.-CIA manufactured terror group. “A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren’t only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of ‘Islamic state,” writes The Guardian.

That the “US military-industrial complex is a winner every time war breaks out anywhere in the world (usually with the assistance of the CIA) is clear to everyone by now. What wasn’t clear is just how the US predetermined the current course of events in the middleeast,” writes Zero Hedge.


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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   June 9th 2015, 4:40 pm

They went on a mile long parade in Ramadi the other day after they captured that town.

Prime chance to burn them out of existence...we watched and did nothing instead.

Just one example of how we are really backing ISIS, along with the tons of weapons and equipment we "left" behind.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   June 9th 2015, 6:52 pm

Need an excuse to use the military, why not create one!  This is something we appear to be really good at!



Meanwhile 70+ people with terror links working for the TSA!  HAHAHAHA  

The excuse, now get this.  The TSA doesn't have the same access to terror watch lists that other agencies do!  This was the primary reason for creating DHS!

The American reaction?  Okay.....

TSA security theater at it's finest.  No you can't take that bottled water onto the airplane, but well allow terror-terror-Al-Maldualjun to "place" your bags in the cargo hold.  

This place is more done than last weeks hot dog that's still on the grill.

If government were truthful they would simply say, TSA is nothing more than a jobs program for 70k people, so we can artificially prop up the unemployment rate.

The American people are so scared. I'm not scared, who here is scared of ISIS? There's 300+ million firearms in this country. I think we'll well equipped to handle ISIS on our own. Now if we could get the government from doing everything possible to bring these people in the country.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   June 10th 2015, 12:39 am

The American people aren't scared because most are so uninformed the only thing they fear is the line at Starbucks and if the new iPhone is back-ordered.

TSA;
- 73 people on the terrorism list are employed there.
- they fail 96% or 67 out of 70 attempts by people to get fake explosives and lethal weapons past them. And the testers were not trained to know the blind-spots of the TSA.
- The guy in charge of the TSA is transferred, not fired but just moved to a different job.

After all the crap that has happened in the last 6.5 years, it seems like the only thing that can get you fired under this administration is leaking something that makes Obama look bad or being in the military.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   June 10th 2015, 1:40 pm

We have known the TSA is a joke but this it ridiculous.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   June 10th 2015, 3:08 pm

Some asshole in gubbment will propose a whole different agency, at the tune of about 500 billion a year, to vet other gubbment agencies. But they won't think to vet themselves. Pretty much like what the TSA is doing now....wait for it.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   June 10th 2015, 9:43 pm

Once you get an agency, it never goes away.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 2nd 2015, 8:19 pm

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/31/petraeus-use-al-qaeda-fighters-to-beat-isis.html

We're so up to our @ss in this crap it's unbelievable. Arming al Queda, what could go wrong. Rolling Eyes

al Nursa Front was the al Queda offshoot in Syria, which is where a element of it formed ISIS. All these factions and tribes fighting for territory and claiming their own.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 4th 2015, 12:05 am

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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 16th 2015, 7:35 pm

MSM now reporting US Spec Ops are now on the ground in Syria supposedly with the Kurds.  Never mind ISIS was born by fractures from these "rebel" groups FSA and Al Nursa Front (Al-Qaeda) who we funded, enabled with training and weapons against Assad.  

Same playbook with the Chechen's, we trained, funded, and equipped as a proxy against Russia in Georgia.  The top military commander of the Chechen rebels, trained by US Spec Ops, is now leading ISIS on the battlefield in Syria and Iraq.

Same thing with the Mujahideen as a proxy to fight the Russian's in Afghanistan in the 1980's.  Bin Laden lead that effort and was on the CIA payroll.  That worked out really well for us in 2001.

Our world thirst for a world empire is bringing our demise.  We're overthrowing sound secular governments and leaving behind a void of chaos that provides all the opportunity for ISIS to flourish.

Just when it can't get anymore insane, a new resurgence for bombing Assad is is being promoted.  The insane asylum is in full operation.

Within the last week we learn there's a new investigation by the inspector general that US CENTCOM intelligence reports were modified for political motivations.  Lied to again, how unexpected.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 17th 2015, 11:43 am

The war in Syria is ironic in many ways. First let me state Assad is bad for his country and should leave.
The media, and some in the U.S. government are making a big deal out of the Russians sending more troops to bolster Assad whom they support. Russia does have a military base in Syria.
It is said Russia has to stop supplying the dictator. Why?
The U.S. supported the Shaw of Iran right up to the end. Weapons, F-14 fighters, and other military equipment with U.S. military support. We did the same thing in Viet Nam - supported a corrupt government to the cost of over 55,000 American service men.
They U.S. has no qualms over invading a country when we deem it necessary, but if Russia does the same, it's different. Not so.
I am not at all a fan of Russia, but we do the same things as they do and expect the world to see it through the eyes of the U.S. only.

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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 17th 2015, 12:30 pm

its not different, its 1) not what we want and 2) makes Obama look weak because no one fears us and openly ignore any request or threat we makes. Once you draw a red line and then do nothing when someone crosses it, you have lost all legitimacy.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 17th 2015, 1:54 pm

This is more of the American exceptionalism run wild.  Do as we say, not as we do.

The US doesn't want friends or allies, it wants followers.  The thirst for world empire has never been greater.  

We bombed Iraq back to the stone age on pretenses we now know were categorically false.  Built permanent US facilities in theater, same thing in Afghanistan.  The US has military positioned in 150 countries around the globe.

Syria has not attacked the US nor is there any credible evidence or even motive that Syria is going to attack the US.  Moreover Assad knows, attacking citizens will give the west ammunition for action against him and the Syrian government.  Then add in the theoretic us warning Russia not to assist Syria?  Why is that US, do we want Syria to fail and be free range for ISIS?  I mean our plan worked so well in Libya, Egypt, Iraq.  In ever situation where we've topped a secular government, the result left behind is worse.  Why wouldn't we coordinate forces with the Russians to take out ISIS?  Our government can't make up its mind of who they want to bomb next.

Yet we're going to bomb them.

Assad while not a great leader, has a secular government that has however allowed different religious sects and groups life in relative peace.   Sunnis, Shias, Alawites make up the majority followed by a considerable number of Christians and several other much smaller Muslim faiths.

The "civil war" wasn't a war until the US started supporting Jihadists and Extremist groups against Assad.

Moreover the line that was floated that Assad gassed his own citizens lacks motive and the lacks proof other than John Kerry saying it so.  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/

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Testimony from victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior U.N. diplomat said Monday.

Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.

But she said her panel had not yet seen any evidence of Syrian government forces using chemical weapons, according to the BBC, but she added that more investigation was needed.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 17th 2015, 2:27 pm

joemac wrote:

Assad while not a great leader, has a secular government that has however allowed different religious sects and groups life in relative peace.   Sunnis, Shias, Alawites make up the majority followed by a considerable number of Christians and several other much smaller Muslim faiths.

Same for Saddam.
History has show the that region can't handle democracy. Too many religions thinking all non-followers must be eradicated.

They complain about poor conditions under heavy handed rulers but without one their conditions deteriorate even worse.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   September 17th 2015, 5:08 pm

The version of democracy the US provides the middle east comes at the end of a bomb.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   February 12th 2016, 8:50 pm

The US's direct involvement in the elements that formed ISIS. More of the US using proxies for foreign policy objectives, toppling secular governments. The thought goes the US can use them now, then deal with them, kill them later for the desired outcome.

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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   February 14th 2016, 9:14 pm

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/12/exclusive-u-s-allies-now-fighting-cia-backed-rebels.html

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Iraqi militias who once fought ISIS with U.S. help are now working with Russian and Iranian forces to crush American-backed rebels in the strategic Syrian city of Aleppo, two defense officials have told The Daily Beast.

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In Iraq, these Shia militias were battling on behalf of the U.S.-backed government. In Syria, they are fighting against an American-supported rebel coalition that includes forces armed by the CIA.

In other words: The forces the U.S. once counted on to take back Iraq’s cities are the same ones the Russians now are counting on to get Aleppo back. And those militias are fighting units of the American-backed Free Syrian Army—including the 16th Division, elements of Jaish al Nasr, and Sultan al Murad—according to Nicholas Heras, a research associate at the Center for a New American Security.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   February 14th 2016, 9:29 pm

Russia will fight whom ever is against the Assad Regime. This will and does include all American backed militias. There is no winning for the U.S. in Syria. What once again will turn the tide in battle is the economic decline that Russia is racing towards. Iran is the enemy we need to worry about.

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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   February 15th 2016, 11:10 am

I agree Quig. Russia is suffering pretty bad right now, Iran is the one that has new life in it thanks to the horrible "treaty" we agreed to with them. They get $100B of their frozen assets back with an agreement to keep lying to us and Obama gets to spout off for the next few years about he saved the world. That is until the Iranians show their true colors.
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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   March 26th 2016, 11:02 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   March 27th 2016, 7:29 pm

Who would have guessed that if we arm different factions that they would turn on each other. The Pentagon and CIA say they never saw it coming, what bullshit! If that is the truth, we need to put people in charge with an education higher than the 5th grade.
In the end it is business as usual with the Industrial Military Complex machine that is the biggest arms dealer in the world.

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PostSubject: Re: The creation of ISIS = US involvement   March 28th 2016, 10:12 am

We've been arming different factions over there since the 50's....all we have to show for it is utter chaos and endless death.

And now they have taken their hate to Europe and here.

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